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Oct 21st '20, 18:45 PM  
Vic
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Running out of ideas

I'm not much of a social media person but I'm now trying this stuff out hoping someone has had a similar situation/experience.

This is a little long to explain so bear with me for a minute.

First of, hello to everyone, thanks for letting me post this. I'm a 41yr old male who's 6'1 and 225lbs +/-. I realize that may not sound terrible but up until a few years ago I was 160lbs.
Throughout highschool and into early 20s I was about 180. As time went on I slowly, naturally, dropped another 20lbs. At my thinnest I was 157 but usually hovered around 157-165lbs. This was all the way up into my early - mid 30s. Then in a little over a year I went from 160ish to 215ish since then I gained another 10 or so.
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FOOD.
How I ate
I always ate when hungry and until I was no longer hungry. I didn't try to clean the plate but wasn't afraid of seconds.

What I ate/eat
My mom is old school from the old country. She doesn't believe in fast food, soda or anything pre made, or ingredients she couldn't pronounce. I've had pizza and soda as a kid but that was rare. Maybe on a birthday party or a BBQ or something. The worst fast food we had was pizza several times a year. Everything was home cooked using whole ingredients. She wouldn't even buy ground beef. Instead, she would buy beef and ground it herself. And this is how I continued as an adult. I cook my own food for the week. During the week my lunch would be some sort of small salad. No salad dressing just a dash of olive oil/avocado oil, vinegar and salt and pepper. Or vegetable like grilled sweet peppers, asparagus, steamed broccoli...etc.. you get the idea. Dinner will be fish, usually salmon, 2-3 times a week. Chicken 2-3 times and somewhere in between pork or beef. With another side of vegetable. Half an avocado with dinner. On the weekends my breakfast is 4 egg whites (from real eggs not the stuff in the bottle), sardines, tuna or salmon, half an avocado and coffee.

I DO NOT eat carbs. Never cared for them. You'll never see bread in my house and I think my box of pasta is from 3 years ago. I almost never buy chips unless I'm having people over. That's also the only time I'll buy soda or juice. Whatever is left over I'll dump in the sink. I also never order carbs at a restaurant. I hate paying $30 for 3oz of fish, 2 shrimp and 12lbs of pasta. So whatever I order is going to be mostly meat or fish.
Every once in a while I'll make a baked potato. I DO eat sweet potatoes, an occasional potato, different kinds of beans and fruit. That's where most of my carbs come from. Of course there's an occasional beer or alcoholic drink. And I don't refuse food if I'm at someone's party.

The last time I had fast food was back in 2008. I was stuck in MD for work, without a car and starving I walked a few miles to the nearest McDonald's. The last time I had a slice of pizza was before the pandemic however I did have a craving for buffalo wings 2 months ago.
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PHYSICAL ACTIVITY
I don't have anything specific I do but Im always trying to move instead of sit. Especially at home since I sit a lot at work. Take the dog for a long walk, clean something, right now doing my own remodeling. When I started gaining weight I first went to the gym then I hired a personal trainer and went to his private gym. I did that for 3 years. 3 days a week, 1hr a day. I did gain mass and muscle but I didn't loose weight!!! .
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I've been to a few doctors. My primary care doc, who sent me to a specialist. The specialist did blood work which showed my hormone levels are perfect and nothing wrong with my thyroid. Meanwhile my blood pressure has gone up with the weight. It's still in normal range but just barely and my cholesterol levels went up to. Triglycerides were good, good cholesterol was excellent but bad cholesterol was very high. I started taking natural over the counter cholesterol meds which seemed to work, dropping my bad cholesterol to normal levels and lowering my BP a little in the process.

So here I am still frustrated and lost as to why I gained 70lbs in about 2 years with 90% of that being within the first year with no explanation. I'm hoping someone here has had something similar and had found answers

Thanks

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Oct 26th '20, 16:48 PM  
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Hi Vic

Firstly welcome to Social Slimmers.

Wow that's quite a background of what I would say is a good balanced diet, I can't imagine the years of frustration when the doctors are saying levels in areas that could cause problems are normal ranges.

Can I ask have you counted your calories including the oil you use?
Do you have sugar in coffee?
How many avocados do you eat daily/weekly?
I'd also be curious of your fat intake - oils, avocados, fish?
Whats your water intake like daily?
Have you ever heard of the eat until you are 80% full rather than full... and a glass of water before you have your meal?

I'd be tempted to play with the metabolism carb days not fat days (again by fat I mean fatty foods). I do 'fat' and 'carb' days when I'm on it properly.

It's so strange your body weight didn't change. I'm baffled. Did measurements? Did they try you on macro counting by chance?

 
 
Oct 26th '20, 17:18 PM  
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Hi Vic

Firstly welcome to Social Slimmers.

Wow that's quite a background of what I would say is a good balanced diet, I can't imagine the years of frustration when the doctors are saying levels in areas that could cause problems are normal ranges.

Can I ask have you counted your calories including the oil you use?
Do you have sugar in coffee?
How many avocados do you eat daily/weekly?
I'd also be curious of your fat intake - oils, avocados, fish?
Whats your water intake like daily?
Have you ever heard of the eat until you are 80% full rather than full... and a glass of water before you have your meal?

I'd be tempted to play with the metabolism carb days not fat days (again by fat I mean fatty foods). I do 'fat' and 'carb' days when I'm on it properly.

It's so strange your body weight didn't change. I'm baffled. Did measurements? Did they try you on macro counting by chance?

I had counted calories at one point. Had a calorie tracker app. I would normally be somewhere in the 800-1500 Cal per day with a few exceptions. When working out I had tried to reach 2k - 2500k. I usually do not count oil because it's so hard to measure how much I ate. Making a large salad I may eat a little and use the rest the next day for lunch. I many not eat half and half ..etc..

Splenda in coffee. Have been using it for over a decade.

Half an avocado a day 7 days a week.

I don't count how much water I drink. A few cups a day. I have heard of drinking water before a meal but I don't eat much to begin with. I'll try to post pics of dinner

By "they" you mean doctor or trainer? The trainer talked about food and I tried eating more but overall implementing healthy carbs. I did see strength gain but not weight loss.


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Oct 26th '20, 20:33 PM  
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You're under eating ... under eating can stop, stall weight loss. Crazy eh. Your body will decrease its metabolic rate which means it's burning fewer calories. In turn are your fueling your body right for the energy it needs, if you aren't it isn't burning fat it's finding other sources, our bodies our clever, it will break down your muscle mass and convert to glucose to be used for energy instead. When you hold less muscle mass your body your metabolism dives even more.

I would say you need to fire up your metabolism more and that may or may not add a couple of lbs to your scales. Eat more calories, add some carbs.

At this stage if I was you I would be trying that while upping other things too:
Cardio increased
Weight training
Water
Green tea
Carbs (and not just carbs in veg)

Weight training may cause less of a result on the scales but you really need to take measurements. I have been same weight but 2 different jeans sizes weight training. It really requires time and more than the scales. I stopped using scales for near 2 years.

Obviously I'm no expert but if that was me that's where I'd be thinking and the journey I'd attempt.
 
 
Oct 26th '20, 21:43 PM  
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Oh poor you Vic, this must be driving you mad with no answer. It does sound like targeting under eating may help boost something as none medical professional also that is likely what I too would go with. Do you have anything to lose? May be hard for you to change your habits though as for many of us it's usually the opposite as you sound like you eat really well.

I hope you find a way for you.

What exercise can you do? This lockdown doesn't help as far as options coming and going are. Are you UK or another part of the world?

Good luck.
 
Oct 27th '20, 08:08 AM  
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Oh poor you Vic, this must be driving you mad with no answer. It does sound like targeting under eating may help boost something as none medical professional also that is likely what I too would go with. Do you have anything to lose? May be hard for you to change your habits though as for many of us it's usually the opposite as you sound like you eat really well.

I hope you find a way for you.

What exercise can you do? This lockdown doesn't help as far as options coming and going are. Are you UK or another part of the world?

Good luck.

Great Advice!


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Oct 27th '20, 13:26 PM  
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Here's the whole thing about under eating. I've been trying different things for the last 5 years. Before I gained all this weight I ate 3 meals a day

I tried eating 2000 + calories a day while I was seeing a personal trainer. Food specifically tailored to workouts with the idea of loosing weight (fat) but also gaining muscle. If I was going to do this and pay good money for it I didn't just want to be skiny again. I didn't gain weight in the sense of getting overall fatter but my stomach was always distended and it was always uncomfortable to wear pants. If I went a size larger then the pants overall got larger and didn't look right, way too baggy. If I kept the same waist size then it was just living with constant uncomfortableness all day. Like overtightening your belt and walking around like that all day. After going from size 32 to 36 and occasional 36 stretchy pants I refuse to buy any bigger!

This was for 3 years. The trainer did tweak my meals as time went on. Little more of this, little less of that....etc ...

The workouts were kinda CrossFit-ish. There were days of nothing but doing 80% - 90% of my max weight. Those days were slow. Then there were days when the weight was a little over 50% and speed mattered. That was M, W, F for 1hr. Tue and Thurs I would hit the treadmill at home. I despise running.... would rather do my own root canal! So on those two days I would run/walk. Some days just speed walk while other days jog. Every so often I'd do sprints. Something like run full speed for 40 seconds then walk 2 min. Repeat for 30 min.

I stopped going after about 3 years. Not seeing results was getting frustrating. However, once I kinda fell back into not eating carbs my stomach slowly went down. S L O W L Y!

Next I tried the keto for close to a year. Figured it would be easy since I kinda eat that way anyway. Nothing! After that I did the diet where you fast. Then most of last year I did the one where every morning I would basically drink a salad! I would blend spinach, kale, broccoli, chard, garlic, ginger root, mushrooms, carrot, radish, cucumber, water and a little fruit. Like 2-3 strawberries or 1/4 apple or 1/4 pear. Something to kill the taste just a little. 24oz of that would be my breakfast-lunch. Then a typical dinner.

Since this year I'm trying the fasting diet again. It showed some promise early on but then whatever little I lost I gained back for no reason. I did manage to get down to 217 around April and was able to tighten my belt to the next hole down without being too uncomfortable. But have been back to 225ish for a while, since July for sure.

So I am trying different ways and amount of eating. I forgot about taking pictures but last night I had a bean salad I made consisting of various types of beans, peas and sweet potato along with a chickem leg and thigh. Without the skin. That would be considered 1/4 chicken I guess?! In the evening I had a handful of almonds and some blackberries. Tonight is going to be sea bass and I haven't decided what side dish yet

As far as measurements go I haven't measured myself but my clothes aren't changing. I still can't fit into my old jeans and the same size jeans that I've been wearing for the last 5 or so years still feel the same. Only noticed a difference in a few of my shirts and that was after 3 years of workouts. Those shirts feel tighter in the shoulders. The sweat shirts I bought 4 years ago that were a little loose now are tight enough not to wear.

I'm in the US

Forgot to mention. I've been drinking green tea for years. Every evening! Last 6 months or so I switched to camomile because I noticed green tea was giving me heartburn at night. Not sure if it's the tea or that specific brand but decided to give my stomach a break.

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Oct 28th '20, 17:26 PM  
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I feel for you, you seem to have hit every option with dedication without results, lasting results and generally you sound like you eat clean anyway. Obviously I can only make suggestions on what you'd mentioned in your other posts and under eating was one. When I was low calories aka under eating I had to gradually increase my calories not just go from 1200 to 2000, it really was a gradual over a period of time. Also cross fit style workouts, I hit many plateaus on my way.

I was too skinny now I'm a chubby again but I know what did it. Oddly I'm really finding it difficult to get it back off, I'm told my age and I'm thinking jee it wasn't that long ago

Measurement wise I was obsessed with the scales and with a trainers help I stopped weighing myself and paid more attention to measurements as I was working out almost daily both cardio and weights.

I love camomile tea, makes a nice change, also I like peppermint. Once I wouldn't drink them and loved fruits but now opposite, so odd.

Your GP not going to further investigate or offer support?
 
 
Oct 29th '20, 12:16 PM  
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GP? General Practice doc? I doubt it. Doctors are just assembly line workers anymore. If the amount of people in the waiting room was any indication of what a typical day is like I don't think any doctor has time for anything other than a quick listen and prescription hand out.

I have been thinking of seeing a second specialist. Who knows, maybe the first one didn't do all the tests or missed something

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Oct 29th '20, 17:24 PM  
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The world is busy right now but your health is important to. They are still doing blood tests for diagnosisis' here in the UK, I've had 2 without problems or waiting but yes if they can do things quick and with prescription they will.

Good luck with the new specialist.
 
 
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